Need comply with

One questione need one who can help me to confirm:
we have one itme energy saving ligthing product,It was used PLC 10w and equiped with a ballast,it means the product its temp will very lower at its shade position,( this is floor lamp its height 1.8M),when i do bleow simple test to check its resistance to fire :
i used the igniter to lit the plastic shade and found the shade continuosely burned.
From EN 60598-1 says the non-metalic parts contain current parts or protect elctric shock then need comply with"resistance to fire" but this shade it looks NOT act as above two functions.
And from EN 60335-1 it was diffrently said as EN 60598 it was said if it was non-metal parts should compy with "resistance to fire"
i am think this shade parts need comply with "resistance to fire".how do all of you think???????

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terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-12 18:11

have to need need comply with "resistance to fire"!!

see the standard iec60598-2-22 22.15

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-12 22:14

@terry.feng

havetoneedneedcomplywith"resistancetofire"!!seethestandardiec60598-2-2222.15

iec 60598-2-22 is for emergency lighting product.
but my product is a floor lamp (energy saving product)?
so its shade is Ok if failed for "resistance to fire"?
Thanks

terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 09:43

@superjohnyao

iec60598-2-22isforemergencylightingproduct.butmyproductisafloorlamp(energysavingproduct)?soitsshadeisOkiffailedfor"resistancetofire"?Thanks

can you upload the product's photo?

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-13 12:31

@terry.feng

canyouuploadtheproduct'sphoto?

unfortunately i have not take this images .
in simple words. the lamp shade was upward and inside just have a energy saving bulb with lampholder ( the dia for lamp shade was 260mm)

terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 12:58

@superjohnyao

unfortunatelyihavenottakethisimages.insimplewords.thelampshadewasupwardandinsidejusthaveaenergysavingbulbwithlampholder(thediaforlampshadewas260mm)

i see.
the lamp shade like a chimney,isn't it?
i think this part no want to comply.
this is my idea..

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-13 20:32

@terry.feng

isee.thelampshadelikeachimney,isn'tit?ithinkthispartnowanttocomply.thisismyidea..

Thanks a lot.
yes.from IEC 60598-1, It seems ok.
i am not understand why IEC 60335-1 was strict than iec 60598-1 for this "resistance to fire" issue.
as you know iec 60335-1 sais "all non-metalic enclosure need resistance to fire.........."

terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 22:37

@superjohnyao

Thanksalot.yes.fromIEC60598-1,Itseemsok.iamnotunderstandwhyIEC60335-1wasstrictthaniec60598-1forthis"resistancetofire"issue.asyouknowiec60335-1sais"allnon-metalicenclosureneedresistancetofire.........."

其实598是有很多不足或严谨的地方,这是行业内公认的,不然会有这么多CTL决议啊,但耐火这条我个人认为并不是比335不严谨,598只是根据不同灯具产品有相应的不同要求,应急灯就是一个好例子.有些灯的灯罩作用偏向于一个装饰物,不必符合耐火试验,反而我觉得它这点比家电标准灵活点.

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-13 22:49

@terry.feng

谢谢,假如灯头外的塑胶部分要耐火吗?它是用来SUPPORT 灯罩的,叫灯杯.我个人认为要.

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-13 22:52

@superjohnyao

谢谢,假如灯头外的塑胶部分要耐火吗?它是用来SUPPORT灯罩的,叫灯杯.我个人认为要.

THANKS.YOU ARE STILL ONLINE?

terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 22:53

@superjohnyao

谢谢,假如灯头外的塑胶部分要耐火吗?它是用来SUPPORT灯罩的,叫灯杯.我个人认为要.

这个不是用598考究啦,灯座应该有相应的标准考究它,参阅相关的灯座标准.

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-13 22:56

@terry.feng

这个不是用598考究啦,灯座应该有相应的标准考究它,参阅相关的灯座标准.

I WILL ATTACHED THE IMAGES TO SHOW THE PLASTIC PARTS.
I AM NOT SAYING THE LAMPHOLDER.
THANKS

terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 22:59

@superjohnyao

IWILLATTACHEDTHEIMAGESTOSHOWTHEPLASTICPARTS.IAMNOTSAYINGTHELAMPHOLDER.THANKS

let me see see.

terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 23:04

@superjohnyao

IWILLATTACHEDTHEIMAGESTOSHOWTHEPLASTICPARTS.IAMNOTSAYINGTHELAMPHOLDER.THANKS

Self—ballasted lamps ?

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-13 23:16

@terry.feng

Self—ballastedlamps?

IT WAS A ENERGY SAVING BULB WITH BALLAST

yuz318

LV.1

2006-02-14 09:47

其实要看好多问题的.例如灯座部件本身符不符合2类要求?不符合的话,没有了灯罩,手指会不会碰到,碰到的话就是说灯罩是防触电了,因此就要做GLOW-WIRE了,反之,则不用.但是,见IEC/EN 60598-1 clause 4.15,也有提到,不起绝缘的灯罩也可能要“resistance to fire". 这是本人意见,有错的,请多多提点.

terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-14 10:09

@yuz318

其实要看好多问题的.例如灯座部件本身符不符合2类要求?不符合的话,没有了灯罩,手指会不会碰到,碰到的话就是说灯罩是防触电了,因此就要做GLOW-WIRE了,反之,则不用.但是,见IEC/EN60598-1clause4.15,也有提到,不起绝缘的灯罩也可能要“resistancetofire".这是本人意见,有错的,请多多提点.

是啊!最主要是看着样品才能判定准确.

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-14 12:43

@terry.feng

是啊!最主要是看着样品才能判定准确.

1139892138.doc
这是灯罩和灯杯的位置

terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-14 13:03

@superjohnyao

1139892138.doc这是灯罩和灯杯的位置

是2类灯具吧?要看灯杯是否与一些电原线的基本绝缘触及,若是碰到基本绝缘物件的话就要做650灼热丝,还要进行耐热试验75或相应的温升+25度——————个人理解标准的看法.
我想问问你起初是否做ul产品的?

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-14 13:24

@terry.feng

是2类产品.欧洲市场,灯杯里面是灯头.

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-14 13:37

@terry.feng

Terry.feng:
谢谢你的评论.我当时就放货了.因为我发现这两部分都不是IEC60598-1 说的"起防护触电,里面含有带电体的非铁部件".而且节能灯温度很低,这两部分不可能由于产品短路而起火.
我怀疑是因为我发现IEC 60335-1 里面说的"非铁部件外壳要RESISTANCE TO FIRE" 而且UL 产品好象也有次要求.所以我想是不是要求产品外壳防火不但是可以防止产品短路而起火和如果产品周围起火的话也可以防止燃烧到产品本身.因而可以防止燃烧到电气等以降低灾害的蔓延?我个人看法

terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-14 13:49

@superjohnyao

Terry.feng:谢谢你的评论.我当时就放货了.因为我发现这两部分都不是IEC60598-1说的"起防护触电,里面含有带电体的非铁部件".而且节能灯温度很低,这两部分不可能由于产品短路而起火.我怀疑是因为我发现IEC60335-1里面说的"非铁部件外壳要RESISTANCETOFIRE"而且UL产品好象也有次要求.所以我想是不是要求产品外壳防火不但是可以防止产品短路而起火和如果产品周围起火的话也可以防止燃烧到产品本身.因而可以防止燃烧到电气等以降低灾害的蔓延?我个人看法

如你所说那就不用进行这方面的测试啦

superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-14 13:52

@terry.feng

如你所说那就不用进行这方面的测试啦

THANKS A LOT .TERRY,
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